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In Defense of Bar-End Shifters

We are often asked why Surly specs bar-end shifters rather than integrated brake/shift levers on the Long Haul Trucker, Disc Trucker and Cross-Check.  This is a good question and one we thought warranted some explanation.

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Disc Trucker with bar-end shifters.

When you walk into most bike shops, you’ll most likely find that every single new bike with drop bars is fitted with combination brake/shift levers from Shimano, Sram or perhaps Campagnolo.  They have become ubiquitous for a myriad of reasons, most of them good.  With an integrated shifter, the rider has complete control over braking and shifting from a single hand position without having to let go of the bars.  Now, the rider can shift while bouncing over rough terrain, from the hoods or the drops, even out of the saddle or in a full sprint!  Try that with your old downtube shifters and you may be picking your teeth out of the dirt.  This was quite an advancement and has changed the way riders interact with their bikes in a profound way.  Many cyclists could never imagine going “back” to bar-end or down tube shifters.  Why should they?

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Straggler with Shimano STI brake/shift levers

If integrated shifting is so great that it has become the standard for drop-bar bikes of all styles and price points, why would a bike company include anything else on their complete bikes?  Are Surly’s bikes spec’ed by crotchety retrogrouches who are scared of progress?  Maybe.  Are they trying to rip us off by sticking us with obsolete, outdated parts for an exorbitant price?  Doubtful.  Did they accidentally order ten million sets of bar-end shifters that they had to put somewhere?  Possible, but unlikely.  Surly does use integrated shift levers on a handful of bikes like the Pacer and Straggler, so we know they’re not afraid to spec them when it makes sense.  Perhaps it comes down to having the right tool for the job.

For all their wonders and benefits, the level of convenience offered by integrated shifters comes at a price, both literal and figurative.  These things are not cheap!  Next to the frame and wheels, those little clicky bits are usually the most expensive component on your bike.  For example, Shimano’s latest Ultegra STI (Shimano Total Integration) levers carry an MSRP of $400.  If you want the top-of-the-line Dura-Ace units you’re looking at at whopping $700!  You could buy a nice new frame with money to spare or even a complete entry-level bike for that price!

In contrast, a pair of Dura-Ace bar-end shifters (probably the finest indexing bar-end shifters on the market) will set you back about $120.  Depending on your drivetrain requirements, many shifter sets (like these little dandies from SunRace) cost much less.  This saves you money on the complete bike and makes replacement in case of a crash or damage much less painful for the pocketbook.

Also, the operation of integrated shifters can be very confusing for new users.  Learning which of the four shift paddles (two of which are also brake levers) does what, when and how to use them adds to the intimidation and nervousness many new riders feel.  So much focus is required to learn how to shift that it is easy to forget how to brake, especially when your brake lever is also your shifter!  Conversely, bar-end shifters use only two levers – one for each derailleur – that are completely separate from the brake levers.  Pull it towards you to shift one way, push away from you for the other.  The lever even stays in place to remind you what gear you’re in.  Easy for new riders to learn, refreshingly simple for the experienced.

The other main drawback of integrated shifters is their complexity and lack of serviceability.  There is a whole heck of a lot going on under those hoods that allows you to pull and release cable, shifting willy-nilly up and down across your cassette to your heart’s content.  When something goes wrong in there, there is often nothing to be done.  Here’s a photo from the Black Mountain Cycles blog that illustrates the point:

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Photo by Mike Varley, Black Mountain Cycles. Used with permission.

Holy smokes, look at all those tiny springs!  We must note that Shimano does not intend for their shifters to be disassembled in this way.  None of the pictured parts are available as replacements and getting this whole mess back together would be quite a chore.  The problem with this particular shifter (as per Mike’s story on the blog) was that the teeny little spring in the lower-right corner broke, preventing one pawl from doing its job holding the cable reel in place and rendering the shifter useless.  When something like this happens there is no recourse other than to replace the entire unit.  In favorable conditions Shimano’s integrated shifters have a surprisingly good track record but they will all wear out eventually.  When they do fail you will quickly find yourself up shi(f)t creek without a functioning paddle.  This could be only a minor inconvenience if you’re close to home and have deep pockets but is not a situation you want to be in when out on the road for an extended tour.

For the sake of comparison, I pulled the Shimano 9-speed bar end shifter off the RandoGnar to see what goes on inside this little guy.  Much like the integrated shifters, the guts of the bar end shifters are installed at the factory and aren’t meant to be taken apart for service.  Unlike the STI units though, bar end shifters rarely fail or wear out.  Here we can see why.  This shifter has been in constant service since 2008; first on my Long Haul Trucker, then on the RandoGnar.  It has seen many thousands of miles and an uncountable number of shifts in sometimes horrible conditions.  It has never been cleaned, serviced or lubricated in any way.  It still works well and I expect to get many more years of service from it.  Given the same treatment, I would be lucky if an integrated shifter lasted half that time.

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That’s all, folks.  Not much going on in there, huh?  No tiny springs, no diminutive pawls, just a shift lever, couple of ball bearings, detent ring, big burly spring and some washers, bushings, post and nut to hold it all together.  Simple and robust.  I gave everything a clean, oiled up the moving parts, reassembled the shifter and bolted it back onto the bike.  It now works as well or better than when it was new.

To be clear, I’m not claiming that bar-end shifters are more serviceable than integrated levers.  While they may be easier to take apart (I would never dare disassemble a fully-functional STI lever) and have fewer parts, Shimano does not offer replacements for the internal components.  If something breaks inside your bar-end shifter, you’ll have to replace the whole unit, same as the STI.  What I am saying is that there is much less to break inside a bar-end shifter, so the probability of a failure is minimal.  And, if you do manage to break one you won’t have to sell a kidney to fund its replacement.

This is why they’re spec’ed on Surly’s touring bikes and many others.  When compared with integrated brake/shift levers they are inexpensive, simple and reliable; all prized traits in touring gear.  For my money, they’re the flat-out best shifter for a drop-bar touring bike.  Surly gets that.  You’ll get it too once you try them.

What has been your experience with integrated or bar-end shifters on your touring bike?  Tell us about it in the comments below.  Thanks for reading.

 

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Big Fat Dummy

bike in desert
In the Northern Basin and Range ecoregion, the availability of water is one of the main challenges to traveling by bike, and while for our day trips we have been able to carry enough water, trips of more than one day require careful planning.
I put this Surly Big Dummy together to use as a mule or packhorse to be able to carry enough water, food and camping gear for some extended exploration of the desert. The Big Dummy got the call for reasons other than its ability to carry lots of supplies though:
The roads out here range from smooth, well graded gravel with washboard sections to loose gravel to double track trails. Sometimes we end up on cow trails and game trails and have been known to make the occasional cross-country jaunt. The extended frame of the Big Dummy just has to smooth out the boulder fields and washboard roads; and I could fit enormously fat tires on it for traction and cushion. Originally I wanted to use Surly’s new Dirt Wizard 26″ x 3″ tire but got tired of waiting for them and ordered two Maxxis Minion DH tires in 26″ x 2.7″. Maxxis actually make a front specific DH tire as well as rear specific, but the rear specific doesn’t come in a wide enough version for me, so I have front specific tires front and rear.
It’s actually a good thing I didn’t get the Dirt Wizard tires because I don’t think the chain would have cleared the rear tire when in the granny gear with the Surly Mr. Whirly Offset Double crankset. The Maxxis tires are brilliant though. They have large side shoulder knobs which give the tire an almost square profile and which cling to the edges of ruts and boulders for confidence inspiring handling. The rear (front specific) tire so far has given adequate traction on the loosest surfaces.
Surly’s Rabbit Hole rims are two inches wide so they flatten out the footprint of the tires even more.

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Surly Rabbit Hole rims with orange rim strip.(note also the 8″ front rotor and the bolt on Surly Ultra New front hub)

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Just a couple millimeters to spare between the tire and the chain in the lowest gear!

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There is a little extra room at the rear of the frame with 2.7″ tires.

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This is the front specific Maxxis Minion DH 2.7 tire on the rear. They cling to the most precarious terrain!

I am using Hayes El Camino hydraulic disc brakes to keep this animal reined in. Normally I wouldn’t want such a non user friendly setup on a back-country rig but I had them laying around and I do appreciate the stopping power. That reminds me; I need to bleed the front brake again.

The Jeff Jones H-Bar® Loop Bar seemed like an obvious choice for the cockpit. A nice, wide, ergonomically sweeping bar with lots of hand positions. For shifting I am using the IRD Power Ratchet thumb shifters. This version is friction only and I am still learning how to shift cleanly to not land in between gears. The levers have a hinged clamp and so I was able to mount them up on the loop part of the Jones bars in an attempt to create more useful space on the lower part of the handlebar. I may move them back down though because the spot where they are now actually is a comfortable hand position and they sort of interfere. Rather than the extra long ESI grips made for the Jones bars I chose to double wrap the grips and so far I like it that way.
Jones H-Bar Loop Bar

The rear rack frame and bags are the newer Surly proprietary design. The bags appear to be well thought out and are compartmentalized for convenient packing. I have yet to load this up for any extended trips but before I do that I will be changing the 26 tooth inner ring on the Mr Whirly crank for a 24 tooth ring for a little extra oomph on the low end. I’m really looking forward to getting this thing out in the wilderness for some extended bikepacking and camping trips.

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Surly Pugsley and Moonlander

In a previous post I compared and contrasted the Surly Pugsley and the Pug Ops. The Moonlander is Surly’s fattest fatbike with mammoth 4.8″ Surly Lou and Bud tires with 120t.p.i. (25% bigger than the Pugsley tires) on 100mm “Clown Shoe” rims. In order to make room for the fatter tires the Moonlander’s rear triangle is offset a little bit more than the Pugsley or the Pug Ops with a corresponding additional offset in the rear wheel. And the Surly Offset double crank gets a few more spacers so the chain won’t rub on the tire in the lowest gear.

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Surly Nate 3.8 tire on Pugsley is on the left. On the right is the Surly Bud 4.8 on the Moonlander. Both bikes use the same Moonlander fork.

You can see the 180mm brake rotor on the front of the Moonlander compared to the 160mm rotor on the Pugsley. A little more leverage to deal with the momentum of those taller, wider tires. The Pug Ops is spec’d with 180mm front rotors too.

The huge tires on 100 rims on the Moonlander can be ridden at very low air pressures for more flotation and traction on snow, sand, gravel and/or roots. Surly claims this bike is “designed from the ground up to ride where there are no roads, no trails and no people.” When the sandy single track gets wet in the Boise foothills two inch wide mountain bike tires dig in and cut up the trail, but the Moonlander barely leaves a mark! A bike like the Moonlander can expand the riding season as well as the areas and terrain that can be explored by the bicycle traveler. If you still think fat bikes are limited, look at this article in bikemag.com about the Walmart fat bike tearing it up at Sea Otter.

the footprint in sand of the big fat larry tires next to a narrower tire
The 4.7 inch wide Big Fat Larry tires (top) leave a very low impact footprint compared to a standard mountain bike tire below.

chainstay and tire

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Surly Disc Trucker -Redux

In an earlier post I talked about cable actuated disc brakes on the Long Haul Trucker.

Surly rolls out bikes in new colors each year (or so). They continue to sell bikes in the previous year’s colors until they are gone. For 2014 the new Disc Trucker color is burgundy. We just finished this bike for a customer:

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A 62 cm Surly Disc Trucker with 26″ wheels

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Tubus Logo rear rack and Surly front rack

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The Tubus Logo rear rack; simple, strong and practical.
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The Surly front rack can be fined tune to clear the disc brake caliper and there is a special hole for the fender stays.

Additions and Substitutions:
Gilles Berthoud stainless steel fenders- 26×60
Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddle– black
King Cage Andrews stainless steel bottle cages
Shimano PD-A530 double sided pedals
Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26×2 tires replace the stock Continentals
Surly front rack– silver
Tubus Logo rear rack– silver

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Surly Disc Trucker

Nate was here to pick out a Long Haul Trucker this weekend. He rides a mountain bike with hydraulic disc brakes, and so he was a little bit unsure about what type of brakes would work best on a touring bike. According to what he had heard and his experiences, disc brakes:
-are finicky and difficult to adjust
-are prone to failure
-have better stopping power and control than rim brakes
-interfere with the installation of fenders and/or racks
I imagine the same questions might come up when other people are considering the new Disc Trucker vs. the standard rim brake equipped Long Haul Trucker. (An earlier post discussed some different types of rim brake calipers.)

As a primer, there are two types of disc brakes: Hydraulic brakes and mechanical or “cable actuated” brakes. Actually there are 4 types: crummy hydraulic disc brakes, good hydraulic disc brakes, crummy mechanical disc brakes and good mechanical disc brakes. Good hydraulic disc brakes are not difficult to adjust, have incredible stopping power and are very smooth with great “modulation” or control. The downside is that if something does go wrong with the closed hydraulic system, the brakes will need a sometimes costly and time consuming repair. Good hydraulic dis brakes are also not inexpensive. Crummy hydraulic disc brakes may work ok for awhile but when there is a problem it might be better to replace them.

hydraulic disc brake lever
Hydraulic disc brakes have a fluid reservoir, typically integrated with the lever.

 

hydraulic brake caliper
Disc brakes require mounts on the frame and fork and the wheels need to have hubs made to mount disc rotors.

Mechanical disc brakes are more user friendly. Partly because they are actuated by a cable, just like sidepull or cantilever brakes, and partly because the individual pistons, and hence the individual brake pads, are adjustable. On a crummy mechanical disc brake only one piston can be adjusted. But on a decent mechanical disc brake such as the Avid BB7 which comes stock on the Disc Trucker, both pistons/pads are adjustable making setup and maintenance adjustments relatively easy.

I don’t consider availability of replacement parts to be a factor when comparing the suitability of mechanical disc brakes vs. rim brakes for a touring bike. Spare cables are cheap and small (and the same cable works in either type of brake) as are pads. In fact, replacing pads and adjusting them with BB7 brakes may be easier than replacing and adjusting cantilever or v-brake pads. In some cases the disc rotor may need to be replaced but these too are light and cheap and don’t take up much room in the bike panniers.

Avid BB7 brake caliper
A cable actuated or mechanical disc brake caliper. The red knobs adjust the pad postion.

 

Avid BB7 brake caliper
The pads and retention spring pop out for replacement (a needle nose pliers comes in handy)

 

Avid BB7 brake caliper
Sandwich the spring between the two pads and pop the assembly back in- easy cheesy

 

Avid BB7 brake caliper
Surly designed a special dropout for the Disc Trucker. The caliper nestles between the stays and is out of harm’s way and out of the way of rack and fender struts.

 

Avid BB7 brake caliper
The front caliper on a Surly Disc Trucker requires a little bit of ingenuity when installing fenders. The good news is that fender stays bend quite easily!

More about disc brakes:
If a wheel spoke snaps, rim brakes will likely rub on the now out of true rim, whereas a disc brake will still work. Disc brakes may also maintain their stopping power better in wet conditions, but once the rotors and pads are contaminated with dirt and grease they may squeal. I appreciate the arguably cleaner look the bike has with disc brakes.

So, after all, Nate decided to get the Disc Trucker and is happy with the added stopping power. For those considering a Disc Trucker over a rim brake Long Haul Trucker, maintenance and service concerns should be low on the list.

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Bike Touring News Store, Frame Prep

When you purchase a Surly Bikes frame set from the Bike Touring News Store we make sure it is ready for you to start hanging parts on it. When we get a frame we take it out of the box and remove the protective packaging and inspect the frame for obvious damage. We use our frame alignment tools to check the alignment of the dropouts and of the frame itself. We chase the threads in the bottom bracket shell and in all the rack and fender braze-ons to clean out the paint over-spray. We face and ream the head tube so the headset will fit clean and straight. If you have an external bearing bottom bracket we will face the bottom bracket shell too.

Then we put all the protective packaging back on the bike and re-box it, making sure it will get to you in the same condition. We have never offered complete component kits for sale but we are beginning to add the components a la carte so you can get everything you need for your complete bike. And soon we hope to offer complete kits- which will do a couple things;
1) Make it easier and less expensive for the customer
2) Ensure compatibility of all the parts. 
So we’ll have that going for us.

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Chasing the threads in the fork eyelets

headtube facing
Facing and reaming the head tube

Chasing bottom bracket threads
Chasing the bottom bracket shell threads

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Surly Moonlander

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The Surly Moonlander

There is this dog sled race in Alaska. At some point somebody decided the same race could be done on bicycles. Riding in the snow on normal mountain bike tires was more than challenging though so some early innovators would weld two or three mountain bike rims side by side and mount tires on each rim in order to be able to float over the snow. Over the years wider rims and tires were developed and now there are a number of companies making so called “fatbikes”. Now Salsa Cycles has a fat bike in their lineup (Mukluk) as do a dozen or so other smaller builders. In Alaska, where the concept originated, two companies are making fatbikes. Chain Reaction Cycles sells the 9:Zero:7 and Speedway Cycles has the Fatback. And there are a few good blogs about the fat bike experience, notably Fat-Bike dot com and pugsley on patrol

Giving credit where credit is due here is a link to a little fatbike history.
Surly bikes entered the market with their Pugsley model and recently raised the bar with the Moonlander, designed from the ground up to go where the Pugsley can’t. The Moonlander takes 26 x 4.7 inch tires!

Bikerafting Alaska’s Lost Coast: Yakutat to Glacier Bay. from lacemine29 on Vimeo.

Designed from the ground up to go places the Pugsley can’t the Moonlander comes with 100 mm wide rims designed to fit 4.7 inch Big Fat Larry tires. To make these work Surly had to design and tool for the manufacture of some specialized components, notably the Mr. Whirly Offset Double crankset and the Clown Shoe rims.

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The left crank arm of the Mr. Whirly crankset gracefully matches the curve of the chainstays.

the surly clown shoe rim
The wide rim has cut outs for weight savings. That is the rim tape/liner bulging out of the cutouts.

the footprint in sand of the big fat larry tires next to a narrower tire
The 4.7 inch wide Big Fat Larry tires (top) leave a very low impact footprint.

riding the moonlander
There are plenty of brazed on eyelets for mounting racks but the only rack that currently fits without modification is the Surly rear rack, and it only fits, without modification, on the rear. The front fork does have eyelets for the Salsa Anything Cage though, so a rear rack with panniers and a couple of Salsa Anything cages on the fork should be enough to carry gear for most adventures. Revelate Designs in Anchorage , Alaska specializes in building frame bags for these bikes too.

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Surly Long Haul Trucker Demo Bikes

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Surly Long Haul Trucker, the best touring bike for the money.

 

They are here and ready to ride! As of January 2, 2012 we have in stock six complete Surly Long Haul Trucker touring bikes. 50, 54 and 56 centimeter bikes with 26″ wheels. 56, 58 and 60 centimeter bikes with 700c wheels. We are providing these as bikes for prospective Long Haul Trucker owners to test ride. It’s sort of a leap of faith to plunk down almost $1300 sight unseen for a touring bike and there are very few places (are there any others?) that have such a large selection of sizes. Bike Touring News is listed on the Surly Bikes site as a dealer, a “shop filled with folks who know our products at an ‘above average’ level“. We have years of experience selling these bikes and suggesting the proper sizes for people, but this should eliminate any guesswork.

Surly Bikes does not allow new complete bikes to be shipped because: “We think a bicycle in its built form should come from a bike shop that knows how to assemble and adjust everything so that your ride is ready to go. It only takes a couple of frantic e-mails from customers wondering why their steer tube is so long or in which order the headset parts should go on to cause concern in our hearts. Buying a bike locally gives you a place to go for adjustments, for warranty concerns should they ever arise, and for sizing assistance. Buying locally also helps your neighborhood economy grow, it can help you find a network of riding friends, and sometimes even provide a clubhouse. From our perspective buying bikes through a shop keeps the liability concerns to a minimum and helps keep our products from being simple commodities. We like to think they have a little life in them.” We think that is a good policy and we abide by it.

So, here’s the deal. If you are in the area come in (you might want to call ahead) and we will determine the best size for you based on some observations and measurements we will make. Then you can ride a bike and see how it feels. If you are between sizes you can ride one size bigger or one size smaller. After we have determined your size and know the options you prefer, and after you slap leather for a 50% down payment, we will order your bike. If the supplier is out of stock, or if you need the bike right away we will sell you the demo.

We can still sell all Surly frame sets and components online, so if you know what you need in those departments, give us a shout. If you don’t know what you need, then definitely give us a shout and we will help you sort it out.

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Surly Long Haul Trucker, Etc.

Surly? I know you are, but what am I?

The Surly Bikes website has a dealer locator which is updated regularly and lists  “shops we know have ordered a lot of Surly stuff or who we know to be knowledgeable in all things Surly”. Bike Touring News is the only shop listed within a 50 mile radius of zip code 83703.  Yes, we like Surly stuff  –  and I am even  surly. surly,surly,surly

surly frame decals

We currently have these customers Surly bikes/frames in the shop:

I talked about the Deluxe Trucker frame in this post. We consulted with the owner and came up with a build kit for this frame. Now I’m going to have some fun putting it together. The deluxe version (with SandS couplers) only is available as a frameset, which means the buyer gets to spec the parts the way he/she wants it. This always ends up costing a little more than buying a complete bike, but allows the opportunity for customization.

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The Trucker Deluxe from Surly has two stainless steel couplers which make it possible to take the bike apart for travel.

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The Trucker Deluxe with build kit is on the counter.

This customer bought the Long Haul Trucker complete version. This bike comes with the parts that Surly specs, and those parts are good. This machine is meant to be taken out of the box, put together and ridden across the country, and many, many people do that.

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Surly Long Haul trucker, complete

This customer needs a solid, predictable and reliable commuter bike. He needed to look no further than the Surly Cross Check. We helped him determine the correct size which hopefully avoided some wailing and gnashing of teeth. These bikes too are available as complete kits, but the design features of the frames makes them especially suited for custom builds. The main feature I’m thinking of is the semi-horizontal rear dropouts, which make a single speed setup a no brainer. Although I think he will be building this with parts he already has and with a single chainring and 8 rear cogs. Very sensible! And, as with all Surlys the frame clearances allow for big tires and fenders. “Fatties Fit Fine”!

Surly Cross Check frame
Surly Cross Check frame

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Surly Long Haul Trucker Deluxe

To Boise from Taiwan via Minneapolis.

The Bike Touring News store stocks all sizes of the Surly Long Haul Trucker in Boise, ID so stop by and test ride one, or more. Surly makes strong, serviceable and sensible bicycle frames from 4130 Chrome Molybdenum steel. We are huge fans. The Long Haul Trucker is designed for long distance, loaded travel in relative comfort. The LHT Deluxe comes with S & S Couplers, machined, stainless steel torque fittings which are brazed into the top tube and down tube. When disconnected the frame comes apart in two pieces, making it possible to pack a complete bicycle into a case that is within airline regulation sizes, without too much disassembly. If you have some time to kill, the company that makes the couplers, S&S Machine has an informative and interesting site.

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The Trucker Deluxe from Surly has two stainless steel couplers which make it possible to take the bike apart for travel.

 

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One coupler on the down tube and one on the top tube.

 

S&S Coupler
The stainless steel sleeve is tightened with a special wrench, compressing the teeth ot the Hirth joint to connect the tubes.

 

Frame apart
Dismembered Surly Trucker Deluxe

Anyhoo, if you will be doing a lot of traveling and would rather have your own bike than a rental, then a bike with S&S Couplers might be an option. There is a special wrench made for tightening and loosening the couplers and it is important to use the recommended grease on the mating surfaces. You’ll need cable coupler disconnect fittings for your shift cables and rear brake cable too.